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Kundalini Yoga & Practical Spirituality with Simran Daya

Kundalini Yoga & Practical Spirituality with Simran Daya

In today’s episode, I’m interviewing Simran Daya, founder of Kundalini Classics. We talk about Kundalini yoga, turban technology managing employees, becoming a spiritual practitioner, and how to create products that people love.

Show Notes:

Full Transcript:

Shakti Sita:
Okay. I’m so excited because today I have Simran Daya on the podcast. Simran and I met, we met last year at Rama Institute in New York City. But actually I found her products before I met her. You know I practice Kundalini yoga, I’ve been practicing for a while and I needed a turban because I was going into my teacher training and I had never practiced with a turban on.

I just had this intuitive feeling that this would be the time if there ever was a time to put a turban on my head, this was it. Because I was going to be in a room with like… I mean there were probably 40 people in this decent-sized room but there’s a lot of energy moving. And I’m really glad I got a turban but I asked around actually. I did my market research and I was asking around and all of the ladies were telling me, “You have to get these ones specifically, Kundalini Classics. These are the best ones because they have some stretch.” And that was the key.

So I actually tried on a couple different turbans. The ones without stretch are not that easy for a beginner turban tier and luckily these beautiful textiles that Simran Daya selected have a little bit of, I think it’s Spandex in them. So it makes them just a little stretchy and you can tie it nice and tight and it doesn’t fall off and it’s Cat-Cow approved. So that’s really how you know if a turban has made it or not or if you’ve tied your turban correctly.

Simran Daya:
Yeah.

Shakti Sita:
So anyway, that’s how I came across Simran Daya and then I met her in New York City because she was at the teacher training and she was carrying all these beautiful products and instantly hit it off. I was like, “Who is this woman? She’s kicking butt. I need to know her. I need to know everything about her.” And of course, we have almost the same birthday. You’re April 10th?

Simran Daya:
10th.

Shakti Sita:
Yeah. And I’m April 9th. So of course we get along.

Simran Daya:
Exactly.

Shakti Sita:
Same intensity. So Simran, I’d like you let you… Simran Daya, I’d like to let you introduce yourself. Can you give us some background on how you got to this point where you are today where you’re making these beautiful turbans and leggings and also malas. All of these different things?

Simran Daya:
Hi. So yeah. It is an interesting story because this all happened, I’m going to say, in less that three years. Actually the business part happened literally I just celebrated one year and I wasn’t even planning on it. It all happened so organically which to me is the most beautiful way to start a business.

But my background is in sales. I run the sales force for a large gift company. I’ve been doing it for over 30 years so I know how to source products. I know how to sell product. I know how to do all of this. And then starting with Kundalini, I stumbled on that a couple years ago and when I went, just like Kristen, when I went out to find my first pair of white leggings and my first turban I couldn’t find anything and what was out there was not my style either. I wanted something kind of cool.

Also the practical part of the turbans having the little stretch. When you do Cat-Cow it falls off your head and if you ever watch a class, half the class is retying their turbans. So anyway, I sourced some material. A friend of mine’s daughter, or son is a… makes these most fabulous yoga pants and I’ve been wearing these yoga pants for Ashtanga yoga. I didn’t know there was anything besides that.

Anyway, long story short, I asked him if he would be interested in making them white for me and that’s what launched the whole company. So he did and I jumped in on a RA MA as a pop up vendor there and it did really well. Then I started adding in the turbans and discovered this great fabric with stretch and how much women love them. And it’s really been a lot of just word of mouth and here I am today. I’m hoping to change careers at some point soon. Which I think many of us are as we’re in the Aquarian age now.

Shakti Sita:
Yeah. Definitely. And one of the things I noticed right away too is that you really take other people’s needs into account. So you’re kind of reading the room, you’re like, “Oh, this is what people need right now and I’m seeing a gap here.” Are you making the malas now too?

Simran Daya:
I am, yeah. So what I’ve discovered is margin’s of course number one for a business. You’ve got to be able to make money on it and I was buying things wholesale. I just realized that it was smarter of me to figure out how to do it a better way and have a bigger margin. So with the malas, or the tantric necklaces, I was… There’s another example. I wanted to buy a tantric necklace and they were all four to $800 and I can’t… I saved up and bought one for myself after my teacher training. It was my big treat. And I thought, “There’s got to be a way to make these for less money.” So of course I resource… I sourced them out and I got beads and I taught myself. I saw the… Nobody teaches you how to make them by the way. There’s no one out there offering up.

There’s a pattern online. I saw the pattern and because I’m mathematical I was able to figure it out. I am not a jewelry maker but I have this talent to make these tantrics and I love doing it. So that was another area that again, seeing what was needed. It’s like there’s a need for so much here that nobody’s yet really tapped into and nobody’s helping us find. And again because… probably because of my background I just know what to do and there is a psychology behind what people buy and I think I have a natural ability to recognize what that is because I’ve been doing it. Maybe it’s not natural. Maybe it’s just been trained in 30 years of doing what I do. It’s just kind of a natural fit for me.

Shakti Sita:
Yeah. But the other thing is you’re actually making that leap from, “Okay. This is a good area where I can add value.” But then you’re also figuring out how to do it because I think some people get caught up in that initial start and you have that Aries blood going in you which helps you get over that hurdle. But [crosstalk 00:07:11] everyone has Aries somewhere in their chart so can you talk about… What’s that process like where you’re kind of like… When you bring it from idea to reality, how does that manifest within you? Do you feel it physically? Does it brew or is it like a spark and you’re just off to the races?

Simran Daya:
I think, sorry to say that but I think it’s more like a spark and I’m off to the races. I’m a very practical person. I’m not very… I don’t want to say spiritual because I am now. I didn’t think I was before I knew what spirituality was. I’m very spiritual, come to find out. But I’m not… I don’t understand the stars. I’m not into astrology. I know I’m an Aries, that’s about as much as I know if you read a description that is me to a tee. I don’t know how or why. But I like factual things and when I first discovered Kundalini she gave me one little, Guru Jagat and our teacher, gave me one little three-minute exercise to do and I stopped taking Ambien that night.

Then I started doing Sudarshan Kriya and three minutes a day and I don’t use my inhaler any more for my asthma. I am complete drug free right now and I was the person that took all kinds of things for everything. Headache, do this. Now I have a headache I jump in a cold shower. This works. It’s a science and I think that’s what I love about it and the same thing with developing the product line. Just do it. It works, do it. I mean, why would you not?

You see there’s a need. Why has nobody else gone out there and found somebody to make white leggings and sell them? And as far as selling them, why would you not take the advantage of teacher training when there’s a captive audience of people who need white leggings? I don’t know. To me it’s kind of like-

Shakti Sita:
Duh.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. Exactly. There’s my answer. Duh. Like, why wouldn’t you? But I think also, to back up a little bit, I think doing Kundalini is what is making me this person and the confidence that I have and the ability to… Right now my assignment from Guru Jagat actually is 31 minutes a day of Sat Kriya which is powerful. It’s really hard. It’s awful, I hate doing it. But I’m finding myself better spoken. I’m finding myself, I have more command in what I say and do and I’m even more so now getting things done which is… it’s just amazing.

These meditations bring you to a different level of your life that I never even knew existed. So I’m probably the same person I just wasn’t aware of it and that’s really what Kundalini’s all about is an awareness. I just hope nobody else becomes too aware and does this also.

Shakti Sita:
I mean competitors. But-

Simran Daya:
Yeah.

Shakti Sita:
Well you just got her secret. So it’s just 31 minutes of Sat Kriya. But here’s the good news, not many people are willing to put in that work. So-

Simran Daya:
Exactly.

Shakti Sita:
You have to look at that too. 31 minutes of Sat Kriya is no joke. I’ll put a link in the show notes for anyone that’s never tried Sat Kriya. Start with three minutes and get back to me.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. Yeah. It’s hard.

Shakti Sita:
It is hard.

Simran Daya:
Get up to 11 minutes and then eventually… it’s still not easy and it’s been a month now.

Shakti Sita:
Yeah. Actually I had a pretty transcendental experience doing 31 minutes of Sat Kriya once where it was almost out of body because it was just so hard and then it was like I got through that pain point. Because you’re holding your arms up the whole time so for… If you don’t know Sat Kriya, your arms are up the whole time for 31 minutes and you’re pulling the naval in on “Sat” and releasing it on “Nam”. And it’s a very vigorous experience. But if you can find the meditative pocket within that it can become really, insanely powerful.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. And actually another, when we did Long Ek Ong Kars, we did this in the spring for two and a half hours every day. I was so creative. I had a notebook next to me. I led it for 40 days and I had a notebook next to me and I came up with so many ideas. Like turbans of this color and this material and then I’m going to do this and then I created… I’m going to bring this because this is where I discovered it. I have a card line Kundalini Classic cards. It just-

Shakti Sita:
The card is so cute. It says, “White is the new black.”

Simran Daya:
It’s… Rosanna is the character on it and she’s this real bad ass Kundalini person who wears a colored turban and big black boots every day. So anyway, the creative juices also… All these meditations, it’s amazing what they do. I just can’t believe all the stuff I thought of and how productive it’s made me.

Shakti Sita:
Yeah. I was going to ask you about the 40 days of Long Ek Ong Kars because I know you were leading them and you’re really holding down the fort on the East Coast. How… aside from the massive bouts of creativity, what else were you experiencing during that?

Simran Daya:
You know, every day was very different. What I did notice was when we stopped after 40 days I missed it. I really missed that time. It was really special. Excuse me. And everybody needs a little push I think to do something. We all… That’s why we partner up with people for a lot of our meditations. It’s helpful to have… You know you’ve got a captive audience when you have to do it but I think they were a point where it was enjoyable because you are listening to it. It’s a Long Ek Ong and you’re felling a vibration so it’s almost like you feel a little high.

Simran Daya:
Then you get to a point where you pass the first half an hour. Now you’ve got two more hours to go-

Shakti Sita:
It’s two and a half hours long. I don’t know if we mentioned that.

Simran Daya:
Like really long. And I’m a person, I’m an Aries. I can’t sit still. It’s also 4:00 in the morning so what else are you going to do? Might as well be productive in this way.

Shakti Sita:
Yeah. So it’s two and a half hours starting at 4:00 a.m.

Simran Daya:
4:00 to 6:30. Yeah. Every day and it makes you… It may, after the fact I realized too it made me even more so… And I did this last year too. This isn’t the first time I’ve done it so I know it’s compiling on. It’s adding on every year. It’s getting better and better. It also gave me the ability to realize just what I’m capable of. We’re all capable. We all can do these things it’s just a matter of going out and doing it and for some reason it just gave me the strength to so, “Heck, why am I doing and putting my heart and soul and all my talents for somebody else? Why not just do this for myself?”

And when I met Guru Jagat three years ago I said to her, “I need to make this my life. I want all of this to be my life. Not just my yoga part. I want it to be my whole life.”

Shakti Sita:
Yeah.

Simran Daya:
And I think a lot of us, you’re the same way, you’re doing the same thing.

Shakti Sita:
Yeah. Absolutely. It’s a… because it’s so powerful, it’s not just something that you do on the side. It becomes part of you and actually when you’re doing those two and a half hours of Long Ek Ong Kars or 31 minutes of Sat Kriya, all this stuff, it’s so expanding. Not only what your creativity and all that. It’s really expanding your staying power and your steadiness and your ability to just deal with life. It’s like this life training, in my opinion that we didn’t get. That we all need so that we can deal with… Because it’s pressurized right now. And especially if you’re still working another job where you’re managing 150 employees. Is that correct?

Simran Daya:
125.

Shakti Sita:
125, sorry. Nevermind. No big deal. I was 25 off now it doesn’t matter. 125 employees who I’m sure most, or maybe none of them, have a morning practice or Sat Nam. Do you know of… Yeah.

Simran Daya:
No. I’ve run into a couple who have asked me because they know I do. They all want to know, “Kim, why-

Shakti Sita:
What’s going on?

Simran Daya:
Like, “Why are you so relaxed? Why aren’t you stressed about numbers? Why aren’t you stressed about missing budget?” I’m just not. You just react so differently to things. But several have asked me. I’ve given a few Kriyas to a few people and they still… One or two have taken on but not… Everybody’s afraid of it. I think people think Kundalini is a religion. Number one, because they see Sikhs dressed in white and the head and it’s a little bit scary for some but my goal, I know I’m getting off on a tangent now, sorry. It’s the Aries in me. [crosstalk 00:16:05] My goal-

Shakti Sita:
I love tangents.

Simran Daya:
Okay.

Shakti Sita:
My whole life is a tangent.

Simran Daya:
Yeah, right? Me too. Look at us right here, right now. It’s crazy. My goal is to teach the people that, like me, I’m not an astrologist. I’m not into stones and… I mean, I am now because I’m learning about it and I’m learning their value but I’m not that kind of a spiritual person as I used to define spiritual person as. I’m not that person. I’m a very practical, proof in the pudding. If you give me a three minute wacky positioned something to do every day and it’s going to make me sleep, I’ll do it.

So I want people to see the reality of this is just breath work. It’s just angular. Everything, all your finger tips are a meridian to your brain. Everything connects so when you squeeze a finger, if you’re in a certain mudra you’re actually stimulating nerve endings that are going through and affecting your glandular system, your mental and your just everything.

There’s even Kriyas that can help you with building collagen, putting collagen back in your face. Like, who needs Botox? Just do it.

Shakti Sita:
We don’t.

Simran Daya:
I do a workshop called The Fountain of Youth and it’s all about a whole two hour session on things that you can do without getting, putting any medicine into your body. You said it earlier. We don’t have an instruction manual. Our bodies are meant to last forever but no one gave us instructions. Every drug or every medicine that’s given at a hospital or a doctor’s office, we have the ability to recreate that in our body naturally, but who knows how to do it? You know-

Shakti Sita:
Yogis.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. Yeah.

Shakti Sita:
Exactly. Yeah. Wow. I mean, that was really well said. It’s so… It’s a technology and when you start looking at yoga like a technology it’s not about a religion. We’re post religion here and turbans are a technology. And actually maybe you can talk a little bit about that because they’re not just cute little things we wear on our heads in pretty colors. I have one in white here from Simran Daya, I have one in gold. This is my favorite one. This one is-

Simran Daya:
That’s a bestseller.

Shakti Sita:
This is the best… I mean, get this one before it’s gone. This is on Kundalini Classics. Then this is the new one that I’m absolutely obsessed with. It’s the softest turban I have ever felt.

Simran Daya:
Organic bamboo and soy.

Shakti Sita:
Organic bamboo and soy. I mean, it’s… and look at the color and with my coloring I’m in it. I’m just loving it so much. Thank you. So yeah. Can you talk a little bit about turban technology?

Simran Daya:
Yeah. You know, believe me I don’t know that much about it other than number one, when you wear it you feel… It’s almost like putting on a pair of good yoga pants. You just feel like you’re tight and tucked in and that’s basically what you’re doing. You’re tucking in your energy. You don’t want everything to go out and into the world. You want to keep all of this within yourself.

And there’s something, the word turban derived from turbine. There’s a spiraling of energy happening when you’re rising the Kundalini in your body and this keeps it all together. And it really… You do feel a difference. Like right now, you just asked me to put this turban on. It feels so good. Why don’t I wear them more often?

Shakti Sita:
It does feel good. Yeah.

Simran Daya:
You just feel so secure. I guess it gives you a nice sense of security and Guru Jagat once had said something about the dignity behind it. Like, “Wear it with dignity and it makes you feel dignified.” I think that’s a good word for it too. Though it might not be the answer you’re looking for, feeling dignified to me is a result of doing Kundalini and wearing a turban then so be it.

Shakti Sita:
No. I think that’s exactly the answer I’m looking for. If it makes you feel more dignified and more royal, that’s… what other game are we really playing here? We can get into the archetypes and stuff but we are in the process of creating our own female archetype these days because there isn’t really one for us to use fully. So having that queenliness within us is so critical to even just navigating that. But on the technology side, if I really need to focus the turban goes on and it’s tight. It’s really tight and I’m like, and I’m in the zone and it’s such a hack.

If you wore headbands to school, or maybe you still wear headbands, it’s the same technology. It’s just holding the skull in place, the little bones within the skull. If they shift just slightly it can actually alter your whole energy. So it is. It’s like having those nice compression pants on. That kind of, just suck everything in.

Simran Daya:
Yep. [inaudible 00:21:08]

Shakti Sita:
Pull it all together. It’s like Spanx for your head. No.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. There you go.

Shakti Sita:
You can use that.

Simran Daya:
But also-

Shakti Sita:
No, I’m just kidding.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. But also when you teach a class you have to cover the crown because if there’s bad energy out there you want to protect yourself. So there is a level of protection with it as well.

Shakti Sita:
Completely. Completely.

Simran Daya:
Which is, should I lead into a tantric necklace?

Shakti Sita:
Yes. Tell us about the tantric necklace because these are so cool. If you guys have never seen a tantric necklace I will put a link to what they look like in the show notes. They’re so, so magical.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. They’re beautiful. We keep talking about a science. It’s a geometric science and the way the beads are lined up in this specific pattern and nothing is repeated. It’s just one pattern. It’s 422 beads? 432 beads? I don’t count because I just know where the pattern is. I lay out my beads and I make… But anyway, when they’re lined up a certain way, just like white tantric yoga, you sit facing each other side by side in pairs.

That creates and extremely powerful angular energy on a diagonal. And that’s the same if you look at this, it’s almost like looking down at somebody at a white tantric event because they’re all… those are like the people sitting across from each other, creating this magnificent energy. And when you wear one it increases your aura. It magnifies your energy field, everything about it. It protects you. And when somebody asks me because people think, “Oh, this is so odd what you’re doing.” Like, “This is so weird. Why do you do this?”

Well, when you say it increases your aura, what that means in layman’s terms is if you say something negative to me, this auric field will dissolve it before it hits me and I react differently. Whereas if I had no auric field, no protection, nothing going on and you said something it would probably hurt me and insult me and I’d lash back. And I think that’s what Kundalini’s all about is kind of building this protective auric field around you.

Shakti Sita:
Yeah that-

Simran Daya:
To filter bad things out.

Shakti Sita:
That makes so much sense and it’s also not just filtering, it’s also magnetizing all of the opportunities and people and the right beads and the right textiles and situations so that you’re in the right place at the right time, talking to the right person.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. Totally. Yeah. The opportunity’s out there, for anything. Like this business. The opportunity’s out there for me to grab, why am I not grabbing it? I am, and I think we all have those things in our lives. It’s just so sad to me when I meet somebody who… They tell us at teacher training, “Don’t sell it. Don’t give it to someone unless they ask for it”, and being a sales trainer for my whole career it’s so hard for me plus I’m an Aries and I’m very sweet and generous and I want everybody to have everything like me. It’s so hard not to offer it up but when you hear somebody who… Going through my mind, “Ah, just to sip a little three minute addiction meditation. She’d have no problem with that and she’d be happy again.”

I don’t think people realize their potential. They really don’t. And that’s why these women’s groups that you and I are part of is so important. I’m trying to spread that too. Get people to join in. Women need to be around women, other women and support each other. Not condemning each other but supporting each other.

Shakti Sita:
Yeah. These groups are so profoundly healing and the ones that we’re talking about are with RA MA Institute. Guru Jagat has some amazing women’s programs.

Simran Daya:
Amazing. Yeah. Yeah.

Shakti Sita:
Yeah and when you talk about… Basically what she’s saying, we don’t go out and we’re not like, “Hey, here’s a Kundalini mediation for you. Here, you should be doing this.” We’re not trying to diagnose everyone around us. We’re more just living our best life and then people do come to us and be like, “What are you doing?”

Simran Daya:
Yeah.

Shakti Sita:
And then we tell them. It’s more magnetic that way and it’s just a different way to sell to magnetize people to you versus going, “Hey, I found the new best thing ever.”

Simran Daya:
Yeah.

Shakti Sita:
That said, you guys should totally share this podcast with everyone and anyone. We don’t, you know. But the thing that I’m also interested in is how you can give people these meditations and some people it opens something. It’s just a whole new world and there’s no going back basically. It’s three minutes and then they’re done. [crosstalk 00:25:48] And in the best possible way. They’re more exulted, they’re more confident, they have more energy and a whole new outlook and hopefulness or optimism about what their life could be.

I’m interested in that and also if you could talk about a little bit of the… how you found Kundalini and also I’m always interested in this concept of self initiation. Because I think that’s part of this idea of crowning yourself. Kundalini yoga doesn’t have any kind of initiation. It’s a complete self-initiatory experience. It’s you and you getting up at 3:30 in the morning.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. Yeah. Well I think first of all the practice is what makes that happen. Just doing the practice and knowing what you get for it. I mean, if somebody’s going to say, “Here, take this pill and you’re going to feel beautiful.” Why would you not take it? So it’s the same thing.

How I discovered, I’ve always been doing Ashtanga Hot Yoga. I’m very physical. I like hard, hard, hardcore workouts. But I wasn’t getting anything mental and I never thought I’d be able to sit down and do a meditation. But Kundalini also, as we’ve all discovered, is very physical too. As physical as you want it to be.

But I did a… At Kripalu they had a mixed bag one weekend. My girlfriend Leah and I went for the weekend and Guru Jagat and [Shabad Kri 00:27:13]. This is three years ago before they were as explosive as they are today. Everybody knows who they are now. But these two women with these huge white turbans. And I remember at the end of the class you got a 20 minute sampler of them and I remember after class going up to them and saying, “What’s in that? Why do you where that? I want to know everything.” That’s the Aries in me, like “Why, what, who? How do you do this? How do you wrap it? Why do you wear it?”

And they said actually it’s their hair up there and the turbine it does this. Anyway they invited us to do Sat Nam the next morning at four o’clock and they didn’t think we were going to go. They were like, “We know you probably won’t. You’ve never done this before.” Well that’s all I needed to hear being an Aries. You challenge me-

Shakti Sita:
Challenge accepted.

Simran Daya:
Exactly. Challenge accepted. So we showed up at four o’clock the next morning and they both said to Leah, because Leah’s very much like me that way. She’s actually a teacher now also. They said to us, “So how long have you girls been practicing this?” We’re like, “What?” I was just so competitive-

Shakti Sita:
Eight hours.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. I wasn’t going to drop my arm if the people around me weren’t dropping their arm-

Shakti Sita:
Same.

Simran Daya:
… it’s just a competitive thing, you know? I notice you’re always in the front row of the class.

Shakti Sita:
It’s call… You know, it really appeals to the Aries because it’s like competitive meditating. You can really…

Simran Daya:
It [inaudible 00:28:31] you know. Isn’t that sad? [crosstalk 00:28:33]

Shakti Sita:
It’s not sad. It’s whatever works for you.

Simran Daya:
You’re right.

Shakti Sita:
You know, some people it’s a much different experience. For me, if the competitiveness is what gets me out of bed with a lot of energy in the morning then so be it. There’s nothing, there’s no reason to fight that kind of inner nature.

Simran Daya:
And that’s again the point of… Kundalini is for everybody. And I also had should surgery this past year and I couldn’t do certain things but I could do a lot.

Shakti Sita:
Yeah.

Simran Daya:
There’s no other exercise that you can do where you can still do it when you’re recovering from surgery. I was able to do everything and you could do it in bed. You can do bed yoga. It’s like there’s so much you can do. But the point is it’s for everybody and we can all elevate ourselves. In such a simple way. You just have to find your style of it.

I say this with a regular yoga class too. If somebody’s never taken yoga and they go in and they get the wrong teacher for them, not the wrong teacher, but didn’t jive with it. They’re going to think all yoga is like that. And I think that’s what’s happening with Kundalini. People hear about it, they go and take a class. It’s not the right instructor for them because after my first encounter with Guru Jagat she is just so my style. She’s like proof of the pudding, let’s just get this done. You don’t want to be here, don’t.

You want to wear jeans? I don’t care. It doesn’t matter. If you want to feel good this is what you do and it works, you know? This is what my teacher taught me and it works and I do what my teacher suggests I do. But… Oh I lost my train of thought now. What was I going to say?

That this is for everybody and your… Oh I know what I was saying. When you go… After I did my class with Guru Jagat where I was like, “Wow, this is cool. I can’t wait to get more of it.” I went took a class somewhere else and I didn’t like it at all and I think to this day, thank god that I met her that first time because I wouldn’t be here if… But I also think things happen for a reason, for sure. There’s a reason for all of this.

You don’t give it just one try. Try several different teachers before you make that decision that it’s not for you or if it is because you will feel something in three minutes. No kidding. You feel something. And you feel it-

Shakti Sita:
Yeah. It’s… you’re making a good point about the teacher because there is someone for everyone which is also to my point that I really drill home all the time with everyone. With all my friends, with my colleagues, everyone. It’s that you are the perfect person for someone. Not everyone’s going to be my type of person and vice-versa. I’m not going to be everyone else’s type of person and that’s okay and the point of that is though is that people need you as a teacher, people need you as a teacher, people need Guru Jagat as a teacher. There’s… everyone resonates with someone else so it’s a matter of finding who your people are and who’s holding the energy in the way that you need it expressed in that moment.

And that happens naturally, like you said. It’s a very organic thing. I don’t think anyone needs to totally stress out about it. But you said something else earlier that I really want to dig into for a second because it’s something that has really… I’ve chewed on for a while which is this idea of what a spiritual person is and because my background is a television news producer.

I reported the awful breaking news for NBC and Fox News for a minute and it was a very different reality than I live in right now where the new… Of course I know what’s going on in the news but I have a much different perspective on how to solve problems and where the solution lies and how maybe to look at news and media differently.

The point being is that when I look at a spiritual person there’s almost this… The archetype that I had in mind going into yoga was, “Well I’m never going to wear a mala. Don’t even get me started.” Because I’m not one of those people who just wears the outfit.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. [crosstalk 00:32:53]

Shakti Sita:
Because you can. You can put on the costume. There’s a spiritual costume and I was so repulsed by this… I guess I had a couple encounters of this spiritual costume but also any time you’re repulsed by something there’s also that little tickle in you that may be like… Maybe there’s the imposter syndrome coming up and showing some sort of, I don’t know, shadowy side. But what has… Talk more about your journey to just creating a new way of what spirituality looks like in this age.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. And I’m going to say in my experience I don’t know if it’s in this age or in… you know what I mean?

Shakti Sita:
Yeah.

Simran Daya:
This is what’s, I’ve experienced. I grew up Protestant. We went to church every Sunday. I hated going to Sunday school but that’s what you did. The Piscean age. It’s what you did. Your parents brought you to church, you go to Sunday school. And then I married and had my son and I used to take… We’d go to church every Sunday because that’s what you do. No reason. We just went. I wasn’t connecting, though being Protestant I think our services were a little more relatable to the way it is today and the world today. I think it was more relatable. So I did get something once in a while if it kept my attention long enough from the sermon that was discussed.

But then again, I’d have my son. He’d cry and fight, didn’t want to go, didn’t want to go. And all at the same time I’m now going through a divorce. I have my son on my own and my time spent on a Sunday morning is very important to me and I don’t want to have this fight with my son every day so I thought, “Well, you know what? Why am I making him go? I’m making him go because my mother made me go. It’s what you do.” We’re in the Aquarian age now. None of that has to be.

So I started dabbling in thinking that’s my spirituality. I didn’t really know the definition of spirituality. I still don’t know. But then I tried Buddhism thinking, “All right, I like Buddhas. I like the ong scene. I like a lot of this stuff about yoga so I’m going to try Buddhism.” So Wesleyan University here in Connecticut, they do this really good course and every Sunday they have a [inaudible 00:35:08]. Da da da da.

I went there. My mind just wandered, you know? I have an Aries mind. It doesn’t stay focused too long on one thing. So I tried it, really wasn’t happy with it. So now I said to my son, “You know what, honey?” Because we talk about it openly. He’s maybe 10 now. I said, “Look it, as long as you’re a good human being, as long as you’re kind to people, as long as you’re forgiving to others. That’s what’s important and that you make people feel good when they come to you. That’s what’s important as well.”

And now fast forward 10 years later and I discover… And I’ve not gone to church, not done anything. Thinking I’m just not spiritual at all because spiritual clearly is something that I just never encountered, never liked it. So now I’m doing this Kundalini and I’m realizing through all the lessons and all the classes and all the time spent with these beautiful people. Because everybody I meet that does Kundalini is a beautiful person inside and out. They’re smart, they’re intelligent. They’re no dummies that do Kundalini, right?

Shakti Sita:
Absolutely. The smartest people I’ve ever met.

Simran Daya:
Oh my… I’m the dumb one in the room. I feel so stupid. Seriously.

Shakti Sita:
But you’re not.

Simran Daya:
It’s intimidating though. That’s what-

Shakti Sita:
It is. I get what you’re saying because there’s a poise. There’s such a grace-

Simran Daya:
There’s grace.

Shakti Sita:
… and it’s really, there’s… it’s the grace and there’s… and even book smarts aren’t the intelligence we’re talking about. There’s a-

Simran Daya:
No. We’re not.

Shakti Sita:
… grace and a neuron velocity and a quickness and a wit and a-

Simran Daya:
Yeah. All of it.

Shakti Sita:
… it’s just exquisite.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. So now here we are doing Kundalini and what I’ve discovered is that this is my spirituality. This is my spirituality now. It’s what makes me feel good. It’s what makes me a better person. It’s what I get to touch other people lives with by doing things that out of the ordinary that maybe I would have been reluctant to do. I’m just such a better person. I truly believe this is my spirituality. And I think that might be what maybe in this time, that’s what spirituality is.

It’s just how we treat others. How we make people feel. How we feel about ourselves. How we get things done, it’s just a different world for me.

Shakti Sita:
Yeah.

Simran Daya:
So yeah. I mean-

Shakti Sita:
Yeah. I feel that too. It’s, you know… I think we all have an internal guidance system that we’re just beginning to get to know for the first time. I think that’s [crosstalk 00:37:38] what’s happening here and that’s where the kernel of spirituality may lie. And Kundalini’s the tool kit. It’s the schooling we didn’t receive. It’s the mind training and body training and energy training all around.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. And the beautiful thing is, people ask, they think it’s a new thing and it’s a trend. It’s so not new and not a trend. It was just taught in secret for thousands of years. It’s been around for thousands of years and people don’t understand they just think it’s another new big deal. It’s not. It’s a very old big deal and there are archives and lectures and it’s open. It’s accessible to everybody. We all can learn about it. Like Yogi Bajan said, “Nobody gave us a manual on how to take care of your body.” Well, here it is. This is-

Shakti Sita:
Yeah. Yeah.

Simran Daya:
… for everybody.

Shakti Sita:
And to even hear this conversation right now you have to actually be at a certain frequency in order to even receive us even talking about these concepts and this technology. So congrats for even listening because just to even be exposed to it, whether you become a hardcore practitioner, it’s something that you just, “Okay, I’m feeling like my addictive personality’s coming back. Time to kick up the addiction meditation for a little bit.” You can use it like a self-diagnosis tool. Or you can go all in. But, yeah. That’s how we did.

Simran Daya:
I had a very… Once in a while my husband and I we’ll get into an argument. Very seldom, we’re both very happy. He’s Aquarian so he just goes with the flow so we get along well.

Shakti Sita:
That’s great.

Simran Daya:
Well, I had a little explosion about the house training of our one [crosstalk 00:39:33].

Shakti Sita:
You never. Aries, we don’t yell.

Simran Daya:
No.

Shakti Sita:
We have no anger whatsoever.

Simran Daya:
No. Not at all. But I was so angry and I was so mad at myself for being angry I went up to my room and I did Fists of Anger. I’m not kidding you, three minutes and I felt… I came out a new person. And I went downstairs, he goes, “You did your little thing, didn’t you?” And I said, “Yeah.” I totally cleared the air. Totally cleared the air.

Shakti Sita:
Yeah. The Fists of Anger have actually saved many items. I really like hitting things into a table or something. Like a paper towel roll and now I have Fists of Anger so it’s good. It’s very practical.

Simran Daya:
Right?

Shakti Sita:
This is what we’re saying. It’s just been a very practical tool. I’m glad that you’ve had a similar experience because when you’re seeing red it’s really… what do you do? No one teaches you how to handle your emotions.

Simran Daya:
No.

Shakti Sita:
No. And your parents certainly didn’t know how to handle them either.

Simran Daya:
And sadly today, they just pop a pill and when I hear of kids that are taking pills, oh my god. They don’t need to.

Shakti Sita:
Yeah.

Simran Daya:
It’s sad. Its’ very sad.

Shakti Sita:
Yeah. Yeah. I had a… I came off of a lot of medication too and it’s incredible too. One of the studies I’m going to put in, I’ll put in a write up about the study. It’s the one of Kirtan Kriya and how it can help change the brain and actually prevent Alzheimer’s and-

Simran Daya:
Yeah. Instant brain [crosstalk 00:41:00].

Shakti Sita:
… all these different brain degenerative diseases. This is proven technology. We’re not just like, “Oh, it feels good.” And like… Of course it feels good, otherwise you don’t do it. But there’s a huge reward when you feel good but then to have this measurable data is so huge and I just know that we’re going to… This [crosstalk 00:41:21] kind of generation of Kundalini, I can feel it. We’re just going to tear open the research because I think that’s what we need in order to transition from this Piscean mentality where it’s like, “Well where’s the data?”

And it’s like, “Okay here. You want the data? We’ll give you the data.” It’s unnecessary. You don’t actually need it because all you need to know is your inner guidance system and how do you feel. But I think that the data is so… It gives so much credibility to-

Simran Daya:
Yeah. It does.

Shakti Sita:
… to these practices and, especially the Capricorns in the room. I see you guys.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. Actually my niece is in medical school. She’s in her, I want to say sixth year now, and she was home visiting and I brought her to RA MA. I was doing a pop up vendor. Actually were you there when my niece, Lydia-

Shakti Sita:
I might have been there. Yeah.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. And she’s sitting there and she’s listening to Harijiwan do one of his lectures and he’s so… he’s probably the smartest person I know. One of the smartest five people I know. Just incredible, his mind. And he was talking about the brain and the wiring and stimulating. We were doing the “Ma, Ma,” with you’re ear covered. She’s doing this and she’s like, “Kimmy, this is exactly what we learn in school. This is what we’re studying right now, how vibrational frequency can rewire your brain.” And that is exactly what Kundalini is. It’s the sound current and it’s the vibration of that that’s rewiring everything in your head.

And it work… She’s like, “Kimmy, this is so scientific.” I’m like, “I know.”

Shakti Sita:
It’s incredible.

Simran Daya:
“It’s not a hokey-shmokey thing.”

Shakti Sita:
Yeah. Yeah. And any good sound technician knows all of this.

Simran Daya:
Yeah. For sure.

Shakti Sita:
They know. So the sound can create a vortex. It can if you get the sound right it can really, really elevate you and promote healing. I’ve even seen some stuff where different tones can ignite the parasympathetic nervous system which we know promotes healing. It’s fascinating. It’s seriously fascinating. I just feel like the luckiest person in the whole world to have access to it.

Simran Daya:
Right? I do too. Totally.

Shakti Sita:
I love that. On that note, as we’re geeking out and just overwhelmed with gratitude for these practices, it’s hilarious. We’re not trying to sell you on Kundalini. We’re actually just having a geek out session about how much we love Kundalini. It’s true. I’m so excited to see how you expand and how your Kundalini Classics business shifts over the next year, two years, three years. It’s going to be so incredible to watch. I’m so inspired by you.

Simran Daya:
Thank you and I you. You know this.

Shakti Sita:
Thank you. Thank you so much Simran Daya. I really appreciate you being here today.

Simran Daya:
Great. My pleasure. Sat Nam.

Shakti Sita:
Sat Nam.

Shakti Sita